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In class the other day we were talking about thinking about thinking. I thought that it was a really interesting topic. Its strange when we have those moments where we question our existence. I’ve had these thoughts in the past and never knew if other people ever thought about their existence too. Or, like Mr.Darnell said, most people just go eat a sandwich and forget about it.
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The passage we read the other night also reminded me of the phenomena reality that occurs every day. Daily, it is raining somewhere at some point in time, no? Therefore there must be a brink of where the rain stops and where it begins, mustn’t there be? Imagine standing in that spot, symmetrical to the down coming rain. What a powerful feeling one must feel. As I read everyone’s responses just now, I saw one that I knew I wanted to respond to right away. This goes along with Taras’ personal example, which I for one, agree with one hundred percent. Often I have thought of that, and never, had I ever discussed it with anyone, and to come to find that another person has made that connection is absolutely stupefying. Every single individual on this Earth (and beyond) has their own perceptions of their beliefs and truths; therefore, truth is now what is universal, the concept of truth is what is universal.
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*not what is universal, the…
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I am really torn between two philosophies in my head. On the one side, I totally believe that truth is objective, and we THINK it’s subjective because we don’t always know the real answer. There has to be some real answer though, right? A good example, as Taras pointed out, is religion. Different religions have different views on what happens after death. Just because certain people believe in it doesn’t mean it is true, or not true for that matter. Just because we don’t know for sure what happens does not mean there is not ONE specific truth to it. We just all see it as subjective because we don’t know for sure until it happens (but then it’s too late.)
On the other hand, the story from yesterday certainly brought a different perspective which I have in fact thought about, but did not exactly connect with the philosophy of truth before. The topic I usually ponder is colors. What if what I see as green is actually purple to someone else. They still call it green, and see everything that is green to me as purple. If I said the grass is green, they would agree, but to me their version of the grass is purple. There would be no way to figure it out, you know? How do you describe a color without using an example? There could be people out there eating purple salads and playing on purple fields. What is the truth in that situation?
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All this talk about truth and how it can be different because of perspective got me wondering how there can be witnesses allowed in court. The things that witnesses say can sometimes lead an innocent person to be found guilty or a guilty one set free. I know that it might seem strange to question the reliability of a person who holds there hand on a bible and swears to “tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth.” I am not saying that a good amount of witnesses lie, which there is a good chance that more then a few have, I am saying that there perspective might taint the truth. What the witness says may be what he or she believes to be true, but is what a person believes to be true good enough evidence to sentence a man to death?
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I always wonder if the truth is just a twisted perspective of what a person wants others to believe. Like Brandy said, who decided that green is green and purple is purple. Or that what we believe isn’t just a lie created for our own amusement?
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Here I come with something totally not related to this rousing conversation that I see has occurred prior to me, because I felt like I needed to share some of my fun thoughts.
First off, Captain planet. He is a hero, and he IS going to take pollution down to zero. And despite the fact that he is our powers magnified and fighting on the planets side, he is quite possibly the dumbest superhero ever. No, I do not mean that he is the worst concept for a super hero, I mean he, himself, in his brain box, is clearly broken up a little bit. Lets go over some fun facts. Captain planet is pretty powerful-he has the power of all the elements(and heart) and he can fly. Sweet, huh? I bet he could go toe-to toe with the best of the other superheroes or their villains, like Batman, Green Lantern, lex luther whatever. But no, he chooses to fight polluters and greedy corporate pigmen. A worthy cause, anyone will surely agree. But the only problem is that captain planet has only one weakness-Pollution!
Thats right, ladies and gentlemen of the jury, Captain planet chooses to go head on at his only weakness on a regular basis. This results in the lame planeteers being forced to save him ever time he decides to try to start punching up toxic waste and lo and behold, he practically dies. Someone needs to help captain planet get his life together and wise up.
Can Anyone help me understand why captain planet is such a darn knucklehead?
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With the two books that we have already read in the class, the chapter of white noise, and the discussions of truth, I find myself a little confused about the topic myself. I never really looked into or thought about all the different truths that are out there. I also didn’t even realize that how can us as human beings even decide what is true or not. WHAT IF there is something bigger out there and what we think is the truth isn’t. It’s all really confusing and makes you wonder if our philsophies and our ideas and the way we look at things is even remotely close to what they really are. Just reading that small chapter of Don DeLillos White Noise really got me questioning a lot of things because in some ways, I actually really agreed with what Heinrich was saying. Our senses may say that it is raining, but how can we even know that our senses are acurate. Either way, this whole subject on truth has me thinking in all directions. : )
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For the past few days, we have been talking about the “nature of truth” and that brought something back to my head that i have sometimes thought about. My personal belief is that truth is solely a human principle that we create to make our lives easier and less chaotic. For example, like Brandy said, “What if one person called the color green green but everybody else called it purple, blue, or black?” That would be very confusing. Also, what if truth didnt exist and everybody just said whatever they wanted, truth or lie? Our lives would definitely be more chaotic. So I think that from the beginning of mankind, humans have created and upheld the principle of truth just to give order to our lives.
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While the subject of truth and all the discussions pertaining to it has severly confused me in the past few days, it has also kept me thinking about how no two people share exactly the same veiw on almost anything. I was sitting in American Cultures class today and someone referred to something as “perfect”. The first question that came to my mind was, “What exactly does the word perfect mean?” And then I began to realize that everyone interprets things the way he/she wants to see it or believes it to be true. No one has the same opinion or perspective and everyone looks at the world a little differently then their neighbor does. It’s funny how the nature of truth can cause me to ponder on subjects such as perfection – maybe this is why I have been so confused?
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This is awesome… keep it going. Some of you have alighted on the problem of language in the nature of truth. What we “call” something is given meaning only by a collective consensus. We give a “name” to something so that we may easily categorize or compare. But language is limited. Often we lack the language to adequately express the most complex of human problems… like truth. And around we go!
The argument becomes somewhat clarified (or muddled, depending on your point of view), when you consider Plato’s theory of Forms (Ideas), which suggests that the visible world (what we perceive, clumsily and chaotically and temporarily, through our senses alone) is divided from the intelligible world (that from which derives reason and knowledge). According to Plato, we can only achieve OPINION in the visible world, and only in the intelligible world can we achieve ultimate knowledge (episteme in Greek).
What’s the point? Consider justice. I cannot KNOW what justice is. I live in the visible world where justice is decided by those more powerful than I. Therefore, the FORM of Justice cannot be fully realized down here in the visible world, where beliefs are subject to change and convenience. Like truth. Hmmm…
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After reading Lauren and Brandy’s comment, I agree with them on the different perspectives of what a person wants others to believe. After reading White Noise, I realize that there are many different truths with different perspectives. Some people might see a certain situation completely different than another person. But which person is right? If there is no real truth in the world, then there is no true answer; both people can be right in their own outlook on their perspective of truth.
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before reading the books over the summer and the chapter of white noise i felt i knew what truth was. I felt that it was iron clad and there was only one truth. If it was raining outside and someone asked if it was raining i would have said yes. But now i will pause and think for a moment before my response because i realize that there can be any number of truths for any number of different people.
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I agree with Kristin. Truth also connects with the way people perceive other people. Kristin asked what perfect really means. Perfect can mean something different for everyone. My idea of a perfect ice cream sunday is vanilla ice cream and hot fudge. That is PERFECT to me. While that may be the exact opposite for someone else. (leave it to me to use food as an analogy haha) So perfection is an opinion…not a whole idea in itself.
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From all the books and passages that our class has read, I wonder if there is such a thing as universal truth. Everybody’s truth is based on their own experiences and therefore be very subjective. How can the contrast between individuals truths be so extreme? To me the answer is restated over and over again in our readings as not universally but individually established.
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I thought that the truth was always black and white, that you were either right or wrong. I never realized how much gray area there was in knowing the truth. DeLillo’s White Noise showed this to me. He brought up ideas that i never contemplated and it has really changed my perspective on truth. In this world we do not ask that many questions and as we get older we come to just accept things as fact, but how can we really know what is true with out questioning the very existence of everything?
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This isn’t so much about the reading as it is about the commercial thing…I don’t know if anyone else noticed this, but the night after we watched that European wind commercial in class and we discussed how fast information is thrown at us on TV, I actually paid more attention to the commercials while watching TV that night and really did notice how fast they go – and it actually gave me a headache. Our society is so focused on speed and progress that most of the time we fail to notice the things around us that matter…like, for example, wind. Now I definitely think differently about society and our values…and how our priorities are definitely messed up.
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It seems like the truth is really from an individual prespective, and not a universal one. My truth may not be someone else’s. It’s just basically how you take in certain things and what you believe is the truth, when in naturality, is it really the truth?
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While I was reading Mr. Darnell’s comments about recent blogs, I came across thinking about justice and the United States justice system. Our system makes it so that twelve “randomly” chosen people hear the case at hand and decide who is guilty and who is not. Which also, thinking about it, ties in with truth. These twelve people, all coming from different backgrounds, lifestyles, religions, etc., must figure out, who they think is being truthful in the case. It kind of gets confusing, but I believe that the system is not totally fair due to, like we have been talking about, individuals and their different standpoints on truth. Although I think this system is not completely fair, I also thought deeper about it and realized, can we really change our justice system that much to make more fair? How can we change it so the twelve complete strangers are able to tell the difference between fact and fiction? Maybe the prosecutor or defense attorney, in their mind, believe they are telling the truth, but, when looked at by others, they say fiction.
Have I confused everyone yet? Ha =] I’m just writing my thoughts done, hopefully someone else “catches my drift.”
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Is there anything in this world, the visible world, that is believed to be the real truth? Or is it impossible to achieve? Say there was a poll, taken around the world, and every single person agreed on one thing…would that make it true? It would still be what we thought it to be, but if no one argued or disagreed then what else could it be besides the truth?
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I think reading the passage has gotten me to think about the reality of truth. It was a chapter which really makes one think and is not forgotten as soon as the assignment is done and over with. I have began to question things i had always believed and thought everyone thought the same about them. One thing we all have learned from this is that changing one’s perspective a bit can make one see things a lot more clearer and in a different manner. The youtube commercial we viewed really helped me comprehend the fact that there are different “truths” and views and sometimes we just get caught up in our own little worlds we have created. Does this sentence have to mean exactly what we perceive it to be?
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i catch chelsea’s “drift” when she talks about 12 complete strangers trying to work together to figure out the truth. It reminds me of a movie i saw last year in Ebersole’s class called 12 Angry Men i think? It was about a boy who was committed of a crime and then twelve totally different strangers to each other have to work together and figure out the real “truth” by working with the evidence that was brought up during court. How do they know the actual truth? How can they tell if the boy is innocent or guilty? They don’t know the boy and some men have even said that they simply did not care whether he was innocent or not they just wanted to come up with a verdict and leave. Dellilo’s writing really made me think about the truth, almost to the point where my brain hurt and i had to get a rice crispy treat :] But in all seriousness, what is the truth? How can it ever be solved? Is it raining or is it not? It’s amazing to think about these things sometimes in your head.
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I thought it was interesting how “The Wind” commercial we watched tied into our class investigation of truth and perception. At first glance the short film appeared comical until the viewer is let in on the “joke” that the man in black was actually portraying the natural resource of wind. Upon a second viewing, the video struck me in an entirely different way. Rather than seeing the film as comedic, I saw the actor portraying wind. This film helped me grasp how important perception is to the nature of truth.
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I’m glad that René Descartes was mentioned in class considering his philosophical work changed my life last year and the way i think of things now. The answer to the question of truth and all the great and wonderful things we have discussed and blogged has ultimatly been narrowed down to the answer of PERSPECTIVE. Different people generate different perspectives making different answers, ideas, and oppinions making the nature of truth a hard subject to define. Yet the question i’d like to ask everyone is how is a perspective achieved in the mind? The answer is through perception and when taking René’s theories into consideration one must disgard perception and only use deduction as the method to create knowledge. This proves perspective as not real because it is concluded from senses but then what is real? Just some intresting things i’d like to point out and i for one don’t put this theory to heart but its intresting to see that theres no real way to prove the non-existent world or existing world and that we can only prove our MIND.
& I feel like our English class has become a sociology and physiology all in one. how special
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I find the topic of truth very interesting. Everything that can seem true to one person, can be completely different to another person, but not in all situations; the example that many gave above about the rain makes me think a whole lot. Sara’s blog was very good and I enjoyed reading it because it also made me think and come to agree with her thinking (for example).. where does the rain start and end? Is it continuous throughout the world and never ending? That may be something that people who study the weather can answer, but for now that is something I do not know. In my perspective of what the truth really is, I would say it is something one believes to be correct and the correct thing that actually happened, appears to be, or is thought to be. Situations seem to happen all the time where two people could be a witness to a certain crime but they have a different truth of what really happened; (example) person 1: That guy totally held a gun to that lady’s head until she handed him her purse and then ran away. person 2: This girl that looked like a guy held a fake gun (like the one I used to play with when I was younger) to this woman’s head because she made a rude comment to him and then she handed over her purse thinking that it would make him go away. (both stories completely made up)
But this is just a dumb example of real situations that happen every day, all day, and all the time about different situations that could be serious ones or even small little dumb ones. The truth of the matter is, there just seems to overall not be a true truth.
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Over the past three days of school, the class discussions regarding the “nature have truth” have really gotten me to think and re-evaluate my own meaning of truth. After hearing different perspectives, such as characters in a novel all the way to my fellow classmates, I have learned that truth is a much deeper and more involved topic than I originally thought. When I usually think about truth, I think I about the logical points and aspects of it. For example, as a younger person, I always believed that truth was an objective topic and that everyone had the same definition and understanding of it; however, after writing a blog, reading other blogs, and discussing truth in class, I realize that truth is more of a subjective entity. The only way that truth can be comprehended is by what a person thinks. Everyone has a different view and perspective. These past few days have made me look into the concept of truth much more carefully and examine all aspects of it. I now realize that not only was I overlooking some key aspects of truth, I still have much more to discover about what truth means to me as an individual. I am also beginning to contemplate the possibility of truth being a never-ending definition, and the way to add to the definition is to broaden your view and outlook, and possibly see truth through different perspectives and opinions.
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The example used in White Noise, which talked about fruits being different to different people reminded me of my own question regarding human perceptions. Do we all perceive colors the same? I see apples to be red, but what if someone else who saw an apple through my eyes called it yellow? And maybe this is why people have different favorite colors? Maybe we all like the same color but we’ve just been taught to call it by different names.
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I just wrote basically the same thing as Brandy. Weird.
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I’ve really enjoyed talking about both the commercial and White Noise in class. This whole topic is extremely interesting, and this is the type of thing that I would want to study in every class, especially a class where I can write about it.
Americans don’t tend to appreciate or focus on the important things in life (aside from attractive looks and selling useless products on television) and those important things are the things that I find myself thinking about more and more throughout every day. In the European commercial we watched, that type of metaphorical cleverness really gets me thinking about different perspectives and aspects of cultures and ways of thinking. The chapter of White Noise that we read also made me think about rain in a completely new way, and I found myself in other classes during the day (not to say that I wasn’t paying attention in those classes) thinking about the limited language that we have, and how limited we actually are without any of us realizing it. With the warp-speed technology being thrown at us throughout each day, we don’t have time to stop and look at the nature of things such as wind or rain or life, and I wish that that could change.
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I think that there is some truth in truth. Science rules over all. Scientific laws are the bases of reality. There must be some malleability for others, but science can prove or disprove anything.
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You all have left me in a giddy state of awe. Your conversations have run the veritable gamut: philosophy, religion, science, perception (sensory and intelligible), perspective—-and all of this belies the most basic problem mentioned above by some of you, most recently Elena, and that’s language. Alex, you have also touched on what I believe (but what IS belief?) is the most important idea here: truth need not be an absolute, even though we crave it. Our justice system is predicated on absolutes (guilty or not?). Our entertainment demands absolutes (good guy or bad guy? happy or sad ending?). And, here, Alex, your point is well taken… in all of this, we must come out NOT with a single new perspective, but with the ability and the desire to constantly change our perspective and see everything from a variety of angles, and not from angles prescribed for us.
Bravo to all… and keep the conversation alive.
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i read Casey’s first entry and it’s reassuring to know that others think of existence as i do. Lately i’ve been making my own little “theories” paper. Truth is tricky. and then comes along existence, connection between people, meaning of life and all of that. i think myself till i’m brain dead, then come back to it again later. To me, everything is everchanging. people, places, TRUTH. even you. from when you were young to old you became a different person, both physically and mentally. Teeth have been lost, hair grown out and cut, skin dries and flakes. everynight you undergo changes. in a sense, your a different person everyday. fresh and new. nothing lasts forever, even stone erodes and flesh decays. Things weren’t meant to go on forever. over time meanings of truths can be changed, (like Pluto not being a “planet”) sidewalks crack and buildings crumble. people are here but don’t think of truth. They think “god i hope this person isn’t lying to me.” and thats about it. When you see someone in the distance or as a crowd, do you think about their lives? or do they just seem like background noise, a scenery to a specific scenario your life is going through.
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I do not know if the free space is designated only for truth, but while considering truth I also thought about dishonesty and lies. If truth is malleable then is a lie always a lie? If a lie strays from the facts and is still not malicious, but its motive makes the audience feel better then is it a negative act. I am unsure of a conclusion, but I think that both sides of the spectrum should be contemplated.
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i get what Andrew is saying. “If a lie strays from the facts and is still not malicious, but its motive makes the audience feel better then is it a negative act. ” to me, that sounds like a white lie, something said to make someone feel better. The conclusion depends on wheter or not the person finds out/likes the truth. Lie is a strong word and really should be used if done for harm. If you lie to protect someone (which I’m sure we all have) then you have their best interests at heart.
Except when they find out the truth, hate it, and then hate you. haha
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After reading the other blogs, I feel the need to specify myself. I do believe that truth is subjective, that it relies on perspective. Why did I write about science, then? Science is constant. A truth can be bended and twisted to fit one’s personal beliefs. What is red to me can be green to another. This is where the clash of the different perspectives take place. A perspective is an opinion. Science is a fact. Back to my example about the color war: red and green are names assigned to describe a characteristic. A name can be easily changed, but what can’t be changed is the object’s physical appearance. The wavelengths that reflect off of the object and taken in through our eyes creates the color of question. This color can be compared to that of a color wheel, found in paint stores. We can find the specific one that is the characteristic of the image we see. That we can agree on. The only thing that we can’t is the assigned, malleable name.
To Andrew’s comment, a lie is like a truth in that it is created by a perspective. Back to my example, when I say that the object is red, the other will call me a liar and then state that it’s green. But again, you need to find the truth behind your truth in order for it to be a true truth (follow?): science. So what is a lie to one is a truth to another.
I do not mean to sound like a “cut and dry” or a “black and white” type of guy. I like to question things. I love to overthink and overanalyze things; I spend a big portion of my nights doing so. I just feel that truth is meant to be cut and dry. It is meant to be where philosophy ends and where science takes over. Going deeper would then lead to the question of a different but related topic: the difference of one’s opinions created by the habitat that one is placed or chooses to be in.
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haha i forgot to exit out of this. Kevin you don’t sound “cut and dry”. you like the idea of solid facts it seems. Facts = truth. science+experiments=results n all that jazz. names can change but as you said the physical characteristics are still there. unfortunatly a name is all we can used to describe a color.
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I was really amazed when I first read Brandy’s response. I never really though about people seeing things in completely different ways. I totally agree though, that there is no way to know how others see certain things, such as colors. I think it is so weird that somebody out there might be mowing a purple lawn. Over the past few days this has caused me to thinka lot about other things that people may see in completely different ways than me. Also, I have always wondered what determines people’s personalities and behaviors. I guess it may be the inner feelings that need to be either let loose or kept within. Also, i think that dreams really show how the subconcious thoughts really prove how one truly feels wihout one being pressure or forced to act one way by the people and environment around a person. These were just a couple of though that I wanted to share.
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sorry, it was supposed to say… just a couple of THOUGHTS
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and this is the thing…everyones got all these personal thoughts about beliefs and truth and philosphy and life in general…it causes you to really sit back and think about all that is going on and all that has happened. i’ve always wondered how certain things came about throughout the years…how did all those old men in the 1700’s create a functional government in america with only an 8th grade education? did the cavemen create the english language..or who else did? and how are there so many different languages and other ways of communcating..how did it all come about? its these types of thoughts that causes one to simply become boggled.
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and i completely agree with kelly when she said
“& I feel like our English class has become a sociology and physiology all in one. how special.”
…its really interesting and it seriously a good way to end my day! muahaha.
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To Matt “Handsome” L.,
Well I don’t have an answer to why Captin Planet is such a darn knucklehead. It seems stupid that what he is fighting his only his weakness, you don’t see Super Man fighting a foe made of Kyrptonite.
I would also like to discuss to nature of a “Super Hero”. In my opinion, in order for one to be a super hero you must have some sort of super power. This leads me to talk about the billionair from Gothom City, yes, Batman. Ok, he does not have any super powers. All he has is a very deep wallet that allows his to have a fancy “Utility Belt”, God how I hate the utility belt. What is super about Batman? NOTHING, he should not be considered a super hero. I also believe that Hawk Girl should not be considered a super hero. All she has is wings. Ok, she can fly, but that is is. Face it she is a female, genetically she is weaker that a man therefore would get her butt kicked by even that most normal of criminals.
Well thats all i got to say about super heroes and Matt, I’m sorry about my poor spelling. Love, Big Papa.
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Before discussing truth in detail like we have been, i didn’t think about truth. It is not that I saw it one way or another. It is just that I never thought about it. I was really interested in what Heinrich had to say in White Noise. On one hand, I thought it was kind of annoying. If I was in the car with him, I would probably get really angry, but on the other hand, once I thought about it, I would have to agree with some of the stuff he was saying. His whole point about how now is gone by the time you say it, i’ve thought about that before. I mean if someone asked me it was raining, I would probably just say yes because i don’t want to be annoying, but Heinrich did make some good points.
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When an atheist swears on a Bible before they testify in court do they have to tell the whole truth and nothing but the truth since they don’t believe in God?
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No.
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I don’t think an atheist has to tell the truth because they don’t believe in God; therefore, swearing on the bible is meaningless to them. But isn’t lying like purgery or something?
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I have a question…
If taxes pay for school lunches, and we pay taxes, then why do we have to pay for them again?
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Because our school is greedy and everything is overpriced and they dont wanna give up their 1000 percent profit margin on school lunches.
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Freespace has fallen into the dark shadowy recesses of inactivity and I will plant my ideas here to fester and lay their sinister roots.
Firstly, Maps is a great song, get it.
Secondly, I find quarrell with big papas previous statements about batman. Better late than never. Batmans is a super hero of a different variety. While he may not have any obvious and flashy super power, he does have them. He has them in SPADES. First off, his lack of any real stupendous poewrs makes him even more super for getting out there every day and fighting villains. And batman has some serious villains. The joker kills people. He attempts genocide on a regular basis! Sure, the penguin is funny but I am pretty sure clayface actually consumes people for sustenance. Second, batmans strength and accuracy is quite super. When you can fall a hundred yards then catch yourself with a perfectly placed bat-grapple hook without your arms just popping right off of your body you are pretty cool. The most important aspect of his super power is his SUPER REASONING!(!!!) I dont know if you watched the older batman shows in live action amaz-o-color, but when batman faced such villains as egghead and the riddler, he had the mental agility of a super mutant cheetah and the ability to make amazing logical jumps to rival nicholas cage. Batman could deduce that the riddler was going to rob the jewelry store in downtown gotham with a clue like “Where is the first sunset of the year,” and making increasingly improbable logical jumps to the correct answer. And that, sir, is a true super power.
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how could i go about changing my avatar to a picture of myself?
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The word “Super” is where your argument turns sour Matthew L. True Batman is a strong guy who is smart enough to make a bat shaped grappling hook, a rocket car and high tech computers but, inorder for him to to e classified as a super hero he must have some sort of super ability. Merriam-Wester online defines superhero as “a fictional hero having extraordinary or superhuman powers” does batman have superhuman powers? the answer is no, so insto facto, at man is not a superhero. But ponder upon this. Batman hangs out with people known as Bat girl and Robin, both of whom are minors. according to Teen Titans Robin is a teenager and the term girl signifies that Bat Girl is a girl. What I’m getting at is that Batman is not only not a superhero but, also a child molester/ Pedafile.
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And it is in your selective logic that YOUR argument fails, cur. Lets take a look at your own definition, shall we? “a fictional hero having extraordinary or superhuman powers.” Is batman fictional? Probably. Is he a hero? Of course. Does he have extraordinary OR superhuman powers? Certainly! There is no denying that his powers are extraordinary. His powers all rise far and above the ordinary. No ordinary billionaire can or does fight crime. That is because they are ordinary. Ergo, Bruce MUST be extraordinary due to his powers, despite whether or not they are derived from gadgets. To draw from a friends argument, to deny that batman is a superhero is to deny that Iron Man, The Green Lantern, or even Spawn is a superhero. All these depend on their gear to get the job done and are still definately superhoes. In regard to your childish and poorly researched claims of batman being a pedofile, I can only hang my head in disgust. Dick Grayson “hangs out” with Bruce because Wayne is his legal guardian and eventually adopted him! Robin is very much a son to Bruce Wayne. The original bat girl was actually a batwoman, The second a middle-aged librarian, and the third an assassin who couldnt even speak. I would prefer that you do any research before bringing absurd claims in an immature attempt to dirty the reputation of a fictional hero.
Off the topic of batman, is anyone else bummed that we wont get a new godzilla movie until at least 2009, with the possibility of having to wait until 2014?
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!!!!!!!! Godzilla movie !!!!!!!!
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what!!! I never hears about dis.
I goes to checks it out now…
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oh no messed up my shocked face
it goes more like dis:
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!!!!!!!What the fudge!!!!!!!
The site keeps messing it up
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I see that we differ in views and that the chance of agreeing is slim to none. You have your opinion and are entitled to stand by it, and i have mine. I also see that you have done some research regarding the history of Bruce Wayne and that you are in a better position as to call him a child molester. I apologize for my crude comments about Bruce and his sexuality. The true reason why i said such things is because i secretly hate batman. I hate batman because when i was a child i would watch Kid’s WB when i returned from school. Superman, which was my favorite cartoon at the time, was on at 3:30 pm and i dreaded waiting for it to come on. I especially dreaded waiting because at 3:00 Batman was playing. So in short i hate Batman because it was on before Superman and i had to wait for it to be over before i could enjoy my favorite show. But, i feel i must say i was a huge fan of the show Batman Beyond. This is because it was more hightech and cool.
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And dats the troof, brutha. Batman beyond was sick because he was like a super cyber-ninja. And speaking of cyber ninjas, does anyone remember beetleborgs? That show was not only fly, but dope. I think that show really captured the essence of the quandary of truth.
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Should we add a new page dedicated strictly to the academic wrangling over philosophical differences regarding Truth in Superhero Cultures? It could flourish into something beautiful and terrifying, as evidenced in the above thread…
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Well, i would like to say that i agree with Matt L. Batman would have to be one of the greatest superheroes ever. Unlike the rest of the DC superheroes, he is not insanely invincible or completely unbeatable. He has an actual weakness. Well yeah Superman has a weakness, kryptonite but who the hammy has kryptonite on hand? It’s like one of the rarest minerals on Earth. Oh and wait, Superman has another weakness which is magic but where do you find someone who can do magic on Earth. So basically what you have is an incredibly invincible hero. I mean whats the point if he can’t get killed. Okay, i know he got killed by Doomsday but still, i would much rather prefer a superhero with weakness, like Batman, over one with basically none aka Superman.
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superman was an innovation for his time. he was the first, there wouldnt be any “creative” superheros” without him. Also im not a dc fan but other characters have weaknesses, look it up, the flash has weaknesses, so does the green lantern, vision, all of them. Marvel is better because the characters have lives outside of superheroing. They have actual human problems.
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Well Thad, I would have to say that your argument of superman being the original and there being no other “creative” heroes without him is true. But, that is not what I am getting at. What I am getting at is that frankly, I don’t really like superman that much. I mean, he’s cool and everything but he’s just too perfect. As I explained before, superman doesn’t really have a weakness. To add on, he seems to have a perfect life with hardly any problems besides the occassional Metallo, Bizarro, or other super villain attempting to kill him. And so, it is here that you and I agree. I too prefer Marvel heroes to DC heroes. Marvel heroes, unlike those of DC, oftentimes have to manage far from perfect lives and the life of a superhero. And so, besides Batman, I believe that Marvel heroes are better than DC heroes. Nuff said.
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i concur, well put lance, superman’s biggest flaw is that he has none
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theres been something thats annoying me latley, the phrase u cant have too much of a good thing. Well first off, when theres too much, its no longer a good thing, plus too much implies an excess of, which would not be posotive. So when u look at it, its really just pointing out the obvious. also, if u can speed up, y cant u speed down??
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Superhero is defined by each individual. Some can think Batman is a superhero others wont but it doesn’t matter. He can still be a hero to some. I do agree and like the marvel heroes. Also Thad, too much of a good thing, I agree that Too much of a good thing is an odd statement which doesn’t always work out. And you cant speed down because we call that slowing down.
Anyway an more important topic is what is the better breakfast food? Pancakes or Waffles?
Personally I’m a pancake guy.
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i know its slow down but y, slow is a useless word in that context, speed down would work fine and be less confusing to foreigners like taras. It depends on the pancakes or waffles, belgiun waffles top anything if they have syrup, pan made pancakes top quick made waffles but eggos are better than quick made pancakes. U should be more specific
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alright, im ticked off cause i heard someone say that transformers were the best changing bot series of all time. This is a falsehood. Transformers were annoying. I was a fan of beast wars. It was a much better show because the plots went deeper and the animals were just cooler than the robots.
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(This is an edited version of an earlier post that was shut down by the man) now that im here, ive heard a lot of thad-bashing recently and it makes me sad, i may be annoying, ugly, stupid, and an mildly unhumble (gene), but if theres one thing im not, its artistic. also, i believe that atheists have to swear on the bible, if for nothing else then the symbolism of it. Maybe they could swear on something else to like, there pet’s life. Also i tend to agree with matt sbei on the batman issue. Batman is indeed a super human, but not a superhero. There is a difference. There are humans with extra special senses but that does not make them super heros. You may bring up daredevil as a counter to this point, but i thought about that one too. Daredevil is a superhero because of his extra sensory perseption, his sort of sonar. The other abilities are completely human The shot at batman’s sexuality was a low blow. Batman is rich and also a hunk, he could have any woman he wanted.
I would now like to raise a point of my own, the parents of the peanuts characters should be arrested. They are never around and allow there bully children to take out there aggresion on the bald unpopular student. Charlie Brown is obviously highly depressed and linus is struggling with gender issues and well as a serious peter pan complex. The parents should be spending more time with their jerky greedy kids
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K first of all thad eggos are good. 2nd no comment on the whole transformers vs beasts wars as i didnt watch them. Now batman i’d say he is a superhero in that he helps people. A hero can be anyone who is looked up to as a figure of strength, responsibility and a role model for others. In that case thou anyone can be a superhero I kno, but that shouldnt take away from what batman has done. But isnt that where the “superhuman” part of him makes him a “superhero”. Just my opinion. And on the Peanuts, u would think Charlie Brown would of gotten hurt badly once by now from all the ridiculous football kicks hes had pulled away from him and landing on the ground. And Snoopy is the man.
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Thad, its rabble, not rable. Waffles are infinitely superior because their texture helps to better hold on toppings as well as the delicious crunch the ridges add. Thad, you have atrocious spelling and I want to vomit when I see your posts. And anyone who reads this, I could beat you in melee.
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hmmm… about your challenge Bumblebeatboxer
I accept
but first I got to play first and get some experience
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hmmm… about your challenge Bumblebeatboxer
I accept
but first I got to play to get some experience
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whoa whoops…clicked twice
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maybe my spelling is just soooooo right u wouldnt comprehend it, these are the updated spellings that u just wouldnt understand with intellectual inferiority
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Just because I have left eleventh grade does not mean I have no say in the goings-on of freespace! Cry havoc and let loose the dogs of war! It is time for some discussion of intellectual topics! For example: If a tree falls on a mime in the forest and no one is around, does anybody care?
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it depends on the type of life the mime has lived, if hes spent his life chopping down our rain forests for example then no, he got what was coming to him, but if he spent his life in the training of younger mimes and donating his invisible props to various charities for auction, then yes people will certainly care. Perhaps he had a mime family, like a little mime wife and son, in which case they would care. or maybe it would be better if his wife was mean and loud then they could be like foils and constantly be on the brink of divorce which turns the child into a drug abusing lone wolf. This sounds like a good tv show, maybe like an hbo series because this sounds intense
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ughhh y is there so much useless technology blocking this year i say we join together and go on strike, a school technology strike
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viva la resistance!!
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Anyway… Perhaps a new topic is needed. This is not exactly a thought provoking question but a fun question, in my opinion. Tell me, why is a raven like a writing desk? Oh, and don’t spoil the fun by looking it up on the interwebs. If you don’t know, the answer lies within Alice’s Adventures in Wonderland.
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because they are both intelligent birds with poems by edgar allen poe were written about them. they are also both black and have feathers, o no wait a writing desk doesnt have those things……ooooooo, guess that doesn’t work well does it, i guess u could write on both of them, though to write on the raven you would need a white ink
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im ruddy sexy
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Excuse me sir. Frankly, i believe that you can’t declare yourself, “ruddy sexy.” My belief is that others must come together and agree that you are ruddy sexy.
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Chrissi Gaudio says HIIIIII
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well im not hearing any arguments to my sexocity so it must be true, when people start disagreeing, then perhaps ill think about changing my mind
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The reason there are no arguments against your sexocity is because sexocity operate like velocity in that it can go either in the direction of very sexy or backwards to fugugly. You, sir, have a severly negative rate of sexocity. You sexceleration is negative too.
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well i happen to disagree with the entire idea of a negative velocity to begin with because it is ll point of view. You just arbitrarily choose a point to start and a direction to go and the other way is negative. So it all comes down to point of view, so ur negative sexocity could be positive from another point of view, which it clearly is. The people who aren’t jealous of me think i’m the bees knees, the cat’s pajamas. u sir are the fugugly one
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The cheese stands alone.
C-C-C-C-C-COMBO BREAKER
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I’m thinking of a number. Guess which one. Come on, it’s a number you know.
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well knowing what i know about the astrological timetables and by dividing the square root of pi into the cubed value of ur birthday divided by the multiplicative inverse of the number of times uve said hello to yourself, its pretty obviously uhhh i dont know like 3ish
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I’m tempted to say 42, but let’s steer clear of cliches. The question is flawed, as the answer has let to leave your head…for instance, I’m thinking of a color. Go.
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Sam R your buffoonery is matched only by your…foolishness. To say that every question with an answer that has yet to leave the head of the quizmaster is flawed is to say that any question you ask your teacher is flawed. Anyway, the answer is the number 2. How do I know? Because I do. Which makes it an answerable question and also quite un…flawed. Or whatever. Who the heck are you anyway? Keep your negative attitude out of our freespace.
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…I’m Batman.
At any rate, wasn’t the entire point of the past few posts that if you flip the negative attitude upside-down, it becomes a positive attitude? I, for one, flip and/or mirror your 2, and thus it is a 5.
And my buffoonery is also matched by your ostentatious flamboyancy, good sir, although your last sentence is delightfully riddled with irony.
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Congratulations Mr. Bumblebeatbox, the correct answer was 2. And you sir, the one who calls himself “the Batman”, your attempts to find some flaw in our logic are all for naught. This is our space. Outlander… ye be warned.
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Yes, but now I’m standing on my head with a mirror, and the answer is a 5. How can you refute what I’m seeing?
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because your really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really unattractive, you know the negative version of attractive
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But then I look in a mirror, and that’s refuted TWO ways.
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i’m bored, english is quite unawesome at the mo
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Oh Thad. You know what they say, “If if’s and but’s were candy and nuts then we’d all have a merry Christmas.” Wait, I forget what my point was.
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hmmm, ill counter your amazing saying with a rather popular one of my own, im sure you’ve heard the saying…. to fend off attacking killer rabid lemurs, the remedy is often the flaming sword of corcaranthia. did that help?
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You know what they say, people in glass houses sink ships.
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hi thad. hi ralph.
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I feel the 100th post should be something meaningful, something significant of the collective academic and introspective brainpower accumulated on here. It should be a well-crafted statement, dripping of eloquence and civility, one to echo the refinement of the minds contributing so passionately and wholly to this arsenal of experienced reason and invigorated theory.
That said, I’m out of ideas.
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Somehow I knew that would happen.
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How can you possibly be out of ideas, Batman?
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Of course, the lack of inspiration may just be a ploy…
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Perhaps you should dip into your utility belt of knowledge batman, that is, if you are the real batman…….and if your not the real batman why do you go around dressed like him huh hahahahah
Also you know what i hate, when actors go out of character. They try to broaden the resume and even if they’re not right for the role the casting people become enamored with the star power and go oh you can have the role, and then they look foolish and out of place. Like Owen Wilson in behind enemy lines, it might have been decent without him but i couldn’t take him seriously in a serious role like that, all i kept thinking was man he’s not gonna find any weddings to crash while in that country
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My friend, there’s nothing like a good old fashioned Serbian wedding…
Some of them do it well. Bruce Willis is my prime example; just watch his 3ish episode guest stint on Friends, when he plays whats-her-face’s dad. He was far enough detached from Die Hard to do it very convincingly. But that’s Bruce Willis, and he’s an immortal god-beast from Valhalla. Few others rival that awesomeness.
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Well, it has been a while and I’ve been pondering who could rival and even surpass the awesomeness of Bruce Willis. One name that instantly stands out in my mind is a Mr. Bruce Campbell. His name is well known throughout the B-movie fan base. His witty one-liners can not be topped by anyone. From his roles in the Evil Dead series to his short 2 season stint as the Daring Dragoon on Jack of All Trades, Mr. Campbell is a man who is to be honored. He dances, sings, and he can act. Lets face it, he’s a triple threat and a treat to watch. If anyone is an immortal god-beast from Valhalla, it is definitely Bruce Campbell.
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Indeed, his muse-like portrayal of Sam Axe on Burn Notice is something to behold. Perhaps this endowment of theatrical success has to do with the name Bruce?
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That thought had actually crossed my mind. Perhaps the Gods favor those who are lucky enough to say, “My name is Bruce”.
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Bruce Willis, Bruce Wayne, Bruce Campbell, Bruce Almighty (subtle, that last one), it’s just a powerful name. No wonder “Zeus” rhymes with “Bruce”.
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I must plead with you all, create a new topic. This dry spell of witty conversation has left me sullen and downtrodden.
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you know what i don’t get, locks on screen doors, it’s a screen anyone can burst through at any time. Is it just to create an illusion of safety or to prevent young children from getting out. If it is to prevent children then that is also foolish because if i child can open the door then they can unlock it, and if they can open and door and not unlock it, then they will learn the lock soon so the lock is only effective for like several months, that one period in human development where they can open a open a door and not a lock. Also the letter k serves no purpose. a C works just as well
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Hm…determined dogs, maybe? I’ve seen them nudge a sliding door open, but not manipulate a latch-based lock (except for Jack Russells. Tricky bastards). And K looks cooler. “Kalahari” loses all reminiscence of coolness when spelled with a “c”.
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Because the idea is choking me and obstructing my generation of an otherwise applicable response to blog prompts…Aldous Huxley’s “Brave New World”: Has it occurred, for even a second, that the World-State isn’t such a miserable place? Bernard Marx and Helmholtz Watson, two dissidents charged with speaking out against the government, are sent to two separate island paradises to live out their days in peace. Sounds awful. A riot in the book is quelled by dispersing HALLUCINOGENS throughout the crowd. People KILL for fixes like that these days. Forgive me, but are critics so fixated on their own civil rights that they can glaze over the fact that almost every other society of such alleged “evil” placates their rioters with hot lead instead of LSD? The Falkland Islands is a nice locale, if you were wondering, nice enough to start a war or two. Soviet Gulags, incidentally, are not. True totalitarian dictators DO NOT SEND POLITICAL DISSENTERS ON ALL-EXPENSES PAID VACATIONS ON STATE MONEY. Say what you will about the social implications, but the body count looks much lower from here.
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